The Spriters Resource/Hard to Rip Games - Revision history

imported>Yawackhary at 01:59, 9 October 2024

2024-10-09T01:59:55Z

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	'''By Fair Means... or Foul'''<br>		'''By Fair Means... or Foul'''<br>
	'''California Games'''<br>		'''California Games'''<br>
			'''Cyclit'''<br>
	'''Double Dragon''' (Richard Aplin version)<br>		'''Double Dragon''' (Richard Aplin version)<br>
	'''Double Dragon II: The Revenge''' (Richard Aplin version)<br>		'''Double Dragon II: The Revenge''' (Richard Aplin version)<br>
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	==Genesis==		==Genesis==

	While a lot of the Genesis library have already been ripped excluding many of the sports games, there are some high profile games that have problems ripping. A few of these are on the site but not all.		While a lot of the Genesis library have already been ripped excluding many of the sports games, there are some high profile games that have problems ripping. A few of these are on the site but not all. One common issue with Genesis games in general is compression and only certain ones are known ("Nemesis", Rob Northen, Koei).

	===Adventures of Batman & Robin===		===Adventures of Batman & Robin===
			Being a late Genesis game, it uses various programming tricks and is considered one of the most technically impressive games on the console. The ROM is compressed. All of these makes it a challenge to rip the game and it does not help that the game is hard too.

	~~Being a late Genesis game, it uses various programming tricks~~ and is ~~considered one of~~ the ~~most technically impressive games on the console. The~~ ROM ~~is compressed. All of these makes it a challenge to rip the game and it does not help that the game is hard too~~.		===Bimini Run===
			Game suffers from unknown compression and is stored in an unrippable way in the ROM.

	===Comix Zone===		===Comix Zone===
			A Sega 1st party game done by Sega Technical Institute and is a late Genesis game pushing some limits. What makes this hard to rip is that the ROM is completely compressed and ripping from the game is hard. Why? The characters have many poses, some that are situational and timing on certain poses is also tricky to trigger. When captured via screenshots, the sprites leave a shadow that is not part of the sprite and may have another sprite overlapping. When tile ripped using a tile viewer in an emulator, they are not easy to assemble either and only load one pose at a time. A few have tried to rip from this game however the sheets are either incomplete or just stopped progress. Sketch Turner eventually did get ripped by dedication.

			The game apparently uses a form of LZSS compression however this is undocumented and no one so far as figured it out.

	~~A Sega 1st party game done by Sega Technical Institute~~ and ~~is a late Genesis game pushing~~ some ~~limits~~. ~~What makes this hard to rip is that the ROM is completely compressed and ripping from~~ the game ~~is hard. Why? The characters have many poses, some that are situational and timing on~~ certain ~~poses is also tricky to trigger. When captured via screenshots, the sprites leave a shadow~~ that ~~is not part of the sprite and may~~ have ~~another sprite overlapping. When tile ripped using a tile viewer~~ in ~~an emulator, they are not easy to assemble either and only load one pose at~~ a ~~time. A few have tried to rip from this game however the sheets are either incomplete or just stopped progress~~.		===The Immortal===
			Character sprites are stored in an unknown way, not typical Genesis format (4bpp linear). Tilesets, doors, treasure chests and some of the Wizard can be ripped. Expert knowledge of the game required due to certain death animations that have to be triggered in a certain way.

	~~The game apparently uses a form~~ of ~~LZSS~~ compression ~~however this is undocumented and no one so far as figured it out~~.		===Instruments of Chaos starring Indiana Jones===

			Game suffers from unknown compression in the ROM. It also doesn't help being a very difficult game to play.

	===Virgin/Shiny Games===		===Virgin/Shiny Games===
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	Please note that these affect the original versions done by EA (as well as High Score Productions and Foley Hi-Tech) and not the other versions of the game that are on other consoles that might have different art styles. There is also the Super Strike Trilogy on the Sega CD that might have extra sprites however chances are that it has the same problems as the cartridge version.		Please note that these affect the original versions done by EA (as well as High Score Productions and Foley Hi-Tech) and not the other versions of the game that are on other consoles that might have different art styles. There is also the Super Strike Trilogy on the Sega CD that might have extra sprites however chances are that it has the same problems as the cartridge version.

			===Zany Golf===
			Game suffers from unknown compression and is stored in an unrippable way in the ROM.

	==SNES==		==SNES==

imported>Yawackhary: Pro Tennis Simulator uses Spectrum format graphics and is rippable on CapriceForever

2023-09-11T09:53:04Z

Pro Tennis Simulator uses Spectrum format graphics and is rippable on CapriceForever

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	'''Pro Tennis'''<br>		'''Pro Tennis'''<br>
	'''Pro Tennis Tour'''<br>		'''Pro Tennis Tour'''<br>
	~~'''Professional Tennis Simulator (Codemasters)'''<br>~~
	'''Rad Ramp Racer'''<br>		'''Rad Ramp Racer'''<br>
	'''RBI Baseball 2'''<br>		'''RBI Baseball 2'''<br>

imported>Yawackhary at 00:14, 29 August 2023

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	===Same Colour Background as the sprites===		===Same Colour Background as the sprites===

	Many games use the same colours for their background as their sprites, usually black but green and others have been used. This is very similar to Genesis sprite ripping. This is mainly a Mode 0 issue however a few Mode 1 games suffer from this too such as Match Point. The games ~~list~~ here cannot be corrected via the graphics viewer in Caprice Forever:		Many games use the same colours for their background as their sprites, usually black but green and others have been used. This is very similar to Genesis sprite ripping. This is mainly a Mode 0 issue however a few Mode 1 games suffer from this too such as Match Point. The games listed here cannot be corrected via the graphics viewer in Caprice Forever:

	'''750cc Grand Prix''' (not only this affects the grey background affecting the bike sprites but also a black on the tires where it should be purple that the tile viewer does not pick up on, Caprice Forever can't rip this as it doesn't support reverse endian and have to manually arrange into 4 pixel strips.)<br>		'''750cc Grand Prix''' (not only this affects the grey background affecting the bike sprites but also a black on the tires where it should be purple that the tile viewer does not pick up on, Caprice Forever can't rip this as it doesn't support reverse endian and have to manually arrange into 4 pixel strips.)<br>
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	'''Pro Tennis Tour'''<br>		'''Pro Tennis Tour'''<br>
	'''Professional Tennis Simulator (Codemasters)'''<br>		'''Professional Tennis Simulator (Codemasters)'''<br>
			'''Rad Ramp Racer'''<br>
	'''RBI Baseball 2'''<br>		'''RBI Baseball 2'''<br>
	'''RoboCop'''<br>		'''RoboCop'''<br>
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	The game displays the animations in either Mode 1 or 2 then converts to Mode 0 as trying to rip from Mode 0 itself only shows garbage, the game itself runs on Mode 0. This means that you cannot rip the sprites outside of whatever is on screen.		The game displays the animations in either Mode 1 or 2 then converts to Mode 0 as trying to rip from Mode 0 itself only shows garbage, the game itself runs on Mode 0. This means that you cannot rip the sprites outside of whatever is on screen.

	~~===Interleaving sprites===~~

	~~It might not be correct terminology however this affects a few games. Basically there is a checkered background on the sprites and the characters have lines through them.~~

	~~'''Glider Rider'''<br>~~

	===John Brandwood Games===		===John Brandwood Games===
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	===Pop & Chips (Super Cassette Vision)===		===Pop & Chips (Super Cassette Vision)===
	The game was not dumped properly and will crash if the player does not collect the little character that comes out of the fruit.		The game was not dumped properly and will crash if the player does not collect the little character that comes out of the fruit.

			===Skull & Crossbones (Amstrad CPC)===
			This game is very unstable, it is crash prone. It can crash while starting a game especially on 2 Player, it can also crash during gameplay both on the original disk and trainer versions. On the tape version, it can only get up to Stage 3 and crashes while attempting to load Stage 4, this is on all emulators and real hardware.

imported>Yawackhary at 20:05, 10 August 2023

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	This game uses an odd graphics engine that has peculiarly sized sprites (not perfectly square pixels). Screenshotting using MAME will distort the screencap PNGs. Configuring MAME's ini file will get rid of the blur but still stretch out the sprites in the screenshot. The only true way to capture the sprites as they were originally intended is to set MAME's video settings to pixel perfect and manually printscreen the game. It is an overall difficult process given that the game has fairly large sprites and a complete sprite sheet would ultimately end up being heftily large.		This game uses an odd graphics engine that has peculiarly sized sprites (not perfectly square pixels). Screenshotting using MAME will distort the screencap PNGs. Configuring MAME's ini file will get rid of the blur but still stretch out the sprites in the screenshot. The only true way to capture the sprites as they were originally intended is to set MAME's video settings to pixel perfect and manually printscreen the game. It is an overall difficult process given that the game has fairly large sprites and a complete sprite sheet would ultimately end up being heftily large.

			===WEC Le Mans 24===

			The sprites do not show on the MAME tile viewer or can be ripped from the ROM via tools.

	===Strikers 1945 1===		===Strikers 1945 1===
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	'''Match Point''' (this also uses Mode 1 that uses 4 colours so the black background mixes with the sprite making it almost impossible to rip via tiles)<br>		'''Match Point''' (this also uses Mode 1 that uses 4 colours so the black background mixes with the sprite making it almost impossible to rip via tiles)<br>
	'''Psycho Soldier'''<br>		'''Psycho Soldier'''<br>
	~~'''Return of the Jedi'''<br>~~

	===Compressed in the graphics viewer===		===Compressed in the graphics viewer===
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	'''After Burner'''<br>		'''After Burner'''<br>
	'''Alien Storm''' (also suffers from black background)<br>		'''Alien Storm''' (also suffers from black background)<br>
			'''Aussie Games'''
	'''Bad Dudes vs Dragon Ninja'''(also suffers from black background)<br>		'''Bad Dudes vs Dragon Ninja'''(also suffers from black background)<br>
	'''By Fair Means... or Foul'''<br>		'''By Fair Means... or Foul'''<br>
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	'''RoboCop'''<br>		'''RoboCop'''<br>
	'''Super Ski''' (the background also runs as a framebuffer, only the icons are displayed in the graphics viewer)<br>		'''Super Ski''' (the background also runs as a framebuffer, only the icons are displayed in the graphics viewer)<br>
			'''Super Stock Car''' (the diagonal car sprites are partially compressed, also shows two lines on the sprites that do not show on screen)<br>
	'''Thing on a Spring''' (Only Thing itself is compressed, the enemies are not compressed and are rippable)<br>		'''Thing on a Spring''' (Only Thing itself is compressed, the enemies are not compressed and are rippable)<br>
	'''Turbo Out Run'''<br>		'''Turbo Out Run'''<br>
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	===Messed up on the tile viewer===		===Messed up on the tile viewer===

	At first glance, they might look rippable but then you notice that the character does not resemble what is on screen having lines that face the other direction in the tile viewer and changing it to reverse doesn't fix the sprites. Looking at Crystal Kingdom Dizzy, it might be either an endian issue or slightly compressed.		At first glance, they might look rippable but then you notice that the character does not resemble what is on screen having lines that face the other direction in the tile viewer and changing it to reverse doesn't fix the sprites. Looking at Crystal Kingdom Dizzy, it might be either an endian issue or slightly compressed. This is a notable issue with Dave Thompson programmed games however also appears in games done by Ocean and Elite.

	'''Arkanoid 2: Revenge of Doh''' (The Vanus Spaceship and some of the sprites are messed up however the blocks and powerups aren't)<br>		'''Arkanoid 2: Revenge of Doh''' (The Vanus Spaceship and some of the sprites are messed up however the blocks and powerups aren't)<br>
	'''Batman: The Movie''' (Only the sprites, not the background tileset)<br>		'''Batman: The Movie''' (Only the sprites, not the background tileset)<br>
			'''Blazing Thunder'''*<br>
	'''Commando'''<br>		'''Commando'''<br>
	'''Crystal Kingdom Dizzy'''<br>		'''Crystal Kingdom Dizzy'''<br>
	'''Dynamite Dux'''<br>		'''Dynamite Dux'''<br>
			'''Hong Kong Phooey'''<br>
	'''International Tennis'''<br>		'''International Tennis'''<br>
	'''Live and Let Die'''<br>		'''Live and Let Die'''<br>
	'''Match Day'''<br>		'''Match Day'''<br>
	'''Motorbike Madness''' (Only the rider, the Mode 1 background tileset is rippable)<br>		'''Motorbike Madness''' (Only the rider, the Mode 1 background tileset is rippable)<br>
			'''Potsworth & Co'''*<br>
			'''Scooby Doo & Scrappy Doo'''*<br>
			'''Top Cat'''<br>
			'''Turbo the Tortoise'''*<br>
			'''Yogi's Great Escape'''

			* - Unconfirmed

	===No sprites in the tile viewer===		===No sprites in the tile viewer===
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	Some games just do not use sprites at all so they don't appear in the tile viewer. This also makes Target Renegade hard to rip because of overlapping characters of the nature of the beat em up genre. These exclude games that use vector graphics, raycasting, text based adventure games or other non-raster graphics games e.g. Star Wars or Hard Drivin'.		Some games just do not use sprites at all so they don't appear in the tile viewer. This also makes Target Renegade hard to rip because of overlapping characters of the nature of the beat em up genre. These exclude games that use vector graphics, raycasting, text based adventure games or other non-raster graphics games e.g. Star Wars or Hard Drivin'.

	~~'''Football Manager'''<br>~~
	'''International Karate + (IK+)'''<br>		'''International Karate + (IK+)'''<br>
	'''Rally 2/Grand Prix Rally'''<br>		'''Rally 2/Grand Prix Rally'''<br>
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	The game runs on a framebuffer, tile and tilemap viewers only display the same frame as what is on screen. Sprite viewers do not work on the game and neither does ripping from the ROM.		The game runs on a framebuffer, tile and tilemap viewers only display the same frame as what is on screen. Sprite viewers do not work on the game and neither does ripping from the ROM.

			==ZX Spectrum==
			*Popeye 3: Wrestle Crazy
			*Way of the Exploding Fist

	==Unstable Games==		==Unstable Games==

imported>Yawackhary at 02:01, 23 July 2023

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	==Amstrad CPC==		==Amstrad CPC==

	By the nature of the home computer, there are bound to be some games that use impressive programming skills or really badly programmed games that makes ripping some games really tricky. Some of these also happen to be highly regarded games that are well liked and some of the best on the system. Since many of the games have the same issues, it is ~~categoried~~ by issue than what game has the issue unless it is unique.		By the nature of the home computer, there are bound to be some games that use impressive programming skills or really badly programmed games that makes ripping some games really tricky. Some of these also happen to be highly regarded games that are well liked and some of the best on the system. Since many of the games have the same issues, it is categorized by issue than what game has the issue unless it is unique.

	This excludes games that have the wrong palette in the tile viewer as they can be corrected (e.g. most games programmed by DJL Software) unless they have an extra issue included.		This excludes games that have the wrong palette in the tile viewer as they can be corrected (e.g. most games programmed by DJL Software) unless they have an extra issue included.
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	===Same Colour Background as the sprites===		===Same Colour Background as the sprites===

	Many games use the same colours for their background as their sprites, usually black but green and others have been used. This is very similar to Genesis sprite ripping. This is mainly a Mode 0 issue however a few Mode 1 games suffer from this too such as Match Point.		Many games use the same colours for their background as their sprites, usually black but green and others have been used. This is very similar to Genesis sprite ripping. This is mainly a Mode 0 issue however a few Mode 1 games suffer from this too such as Match Point. The games list here cannot be corrected via the graphics viewer in Caprice Forever:

	'''750cc Grand Prix''' (not only this affects the grey background affecting the bike sprites but also a black on the tires where it should be purple that the tile viewer does not pick up on, Caprice Forever can't rip this as it doesn't support reverse endian)<br>		'''750cc Grand Prix''' (not only this affects the grey background affecting the bike sprites but also a black on the tires where it should be purple that the tile viewer does not pick up on, Caprice Forever can't rip this as it doesn't support reverse endian and have to manually arrange into 4 pixel strips.)<br>
	'''Alien Syndrome''' (see Match Point for more info, also has layers too)<br>		'''Alien Syndrome''' (see Match Point for more info, also has layers too)<br>
	'''Auf Wiedersehen Monty''' (some sprites also have the wrong palette however the sprites are stored in a tidy fashion)<br>		'''Auf Wiedersehen Monty''' (some sprites also have the wrong palette however the sprites are stored in a tidy fashion)<br>
	~~'''Kwik Snax'''<br>~~
	'''Match Point''' (this also uses Mode 1 that uses 4 colours so the black background mixes with the sprite making it almost impossible to rip via tiles)<br>		'''Match Point''' (this also uses Mode 1 that uses 4 colours so the black background mixes with the sprite making it almost impossible to rip via tiles)<br>
	~~'''Professional BMX Simulator''' (Has been ripped however bike sprites look doubtful with their accuracy)<br>~~
	'''Psycho Soldier'''<br>		'''Psycho Soldier'''<br>
	'''Return of the Jedi'''<br>		'''Return of the Jedi'''<br>

	===Compressed in the ~~tile~~ viewer===		===Compressed in the graphics viewer===

	These games are either completely or partly compressed meaning that ripping these games can not be done via the ~~tile~~ viewer at all or almost useless to rip from since only a segment is uncompressed. Also in the case of By Fair Means or Foul because it uses overlapping sprites meaning that the game is almost impossible to rip from unless someone figures out the compression routine.		These games are either completely or partly compressed meaning that ripping these games can not be done via the graphics viewer at all or almost useless to rip from since only a segment is uncompressed. Also in the case of By Fair Means or Foul because it uses overlapping sprites meaning that the game is almost impossible to rip from unless someone figures out the compression routine.

	'''Adidas Championship Football'''<br>		'''Adidas Championship Football'''<br>
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	'''Double Dragon II: The Revenge''' (Richard Aplin version)<br>		'''Double Dragon II: The Revenge''' (Richard Aplin version)<br>
	'''Prehistorik'''<br>		'''Prehistorik'''<br>
			'''Pro Tennis'''<br>
	'''Pro Tennis Tour'''<br>		'''Pro Tennis Tour'''<br>
	'''Professional Tennis Simulator (Codemasters)'''<br>		'''Professional Tennis Simulator (Codemasters)'''<br>
	'''RBI Baseball 2'''<br>		'''RBI Baseball 2'''<br>
	'''RoboCop'''<br>		'''RoboCop'''<br>
			'''Super Ski''' (the background also runs as a framebuffer, only the icons are displayed in the graphics viewer)<br>
	'''Thing on a Spring''' (Only Thing itself is compressed, the enemies are not compressed and are rippable)<br>		'''Thing on a Spring''' (Only Thing itself is compressed, the enemies are not compressed and are rippable)<br>
	'''Turbo Out Run'''<br>		'''Turbo Out Run'''<br>
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	To make matters worse, the game crashes when the ball is off the pitch and reboots back to the Amstrad CPC boot up screen. It is unknown whether this happens on real hardware.		To make matters worse, the game crashes when the ball is off the pitch and reboots back to the Amstrad CPC boot up screen. It is unknown whether this happens on real hardware.

			===Samurai Trilogy===

			The game displays the animations in either Mode 1 or 2 then converts to Mode 0 as trying to rip from Mode 0 itself only shows garbage, the game itself runs on Mode 0. This means that you cannot rip the sprites outside of whatever is on screen.

	===Interleaving sprites===		===Interleaving sprites===
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	===Messed up on the tile viewer===		===Messed up on the tile viewer===

	At first glance, they might look rippable but then you notice that the character does not resemble what is on screen having lines that face the other direction in the tile viewer and changing it to reverse doesn't fix the sprites. Looking at Crystal Kingdom Dizzy, it might be either an endian issue or slightly compressed~~. Match Day and Track and Field have the same issue since they are done by the same developers~~.		At first glance, they might look rippable but then you notice that the character does not resemble what is on screen having lines that face the other direction in the tile viewer and changing it to reverse doesn't fix the sprites. Looking at Crystal Kingdom Dizzy, it might be either an endian issue or slightly compressed.

	'''Arkanoid 2: Revenge of Doh''' (The Vanus Spaceship and some of the sprites are messed up however the blocks and powerups aren't)<br>		'''Arkanoid 2: Revenge of Doh''' (The Vanus Spaceship and some of the sprites are messed up however the blocks and powerups aren't)<br>
			'''Batman: The Movie''' (Only the sprites, not the background tileset)<br>
	'''Commando'''<br>		'''Commando'''<br>
	'''Crystal Kingdom Dizzy'''<br>		'''Crystal Kingdom Dizzy'''<br>
	'''Dynamite Dux'''<br>		'''Dynamite Dux'''<br>
			'''International Tennis'''<br>
			'''Live and Let Die'''<br>
	'''Match Day'''<br>		'''Match Day'''<br>
	'''~~Track and Field~~'''<br>		'''Motorbike Madness''' (Only the rider, the Mode 1 background tileset is rippable)<br>

	===No sprites in the tile viewer===		===No sprites in the tile viewer===

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	===Clay Fighter and Clay Fighter 2===		===Clay Fighter and Clay Fighter 2===

	While many SNES games aren't compressed or if they are they use a known format, these two games are one of the few exceptions so a tile viewer can't be used for this game. It uses an unknown compression format. The game is also a fighter, a genre known for many animations to be used. Some emulators also have problems displaying the game too. It ~~might be~~ possible with vSNES using savestates however it would require patience.		While many SNES games aren't compressed or if they are they use a known format, these two games are one of the few exceptions so a tile viewer can't be used for this game. It uses an unknown compression format. The game is also a fighter, a genre known for many animations to be used. Some emulators also have problems displaying the game too. It is possible with vSNES using savestates and modern emulators that offer tools such as [[BizHawk]] and bsnes however it would require patience.

			===Dirt Trax FX===

			The game runs on a framebuffer, tile and tilemap viewers only display the same frame as what is on screen. Sprite viewers do not work on the game and neither does ripping from the ROM.

	==Unstable Games==		==Unstable Games==